Mark: What are the five elements?
Swami: The first is
earth.
Mark: Earth.
Swami: The most solid. Rough is the earth.
Mark: Matter.
Swami: Matter. Matter. Subtler than that is
water.
Mark: Water.
Swami: Subtler than water is
fire.
Mark: Earth, water, fire.
Swami: Subtler than fire and invisible is
air.
Mark: Air.
Swami: And then the fifth one is …you cannot see …you cannot perceive and that is space.
Mark: Or
ether.
Swami: Ether.
Mark: Yeah.
Swami: First ether is born from the supreme self; from the
atman;
the supreme self; the formless infinite, which is the highest truth.
From that comes first the space; the concept of space. Let there be
space. Ok. This entire millions of miles of …square miles of area. So
let me speak on space.
Mark: Mm
Swami: There is space. There is nothing there in that.
And from space slowly the wind starts blowing and that is considered
as wind. Wind you cannot see.
Mark: Mm.
Swami: Space you cannot even feel but wind you can feel because it touches you.
Mark: Mm.
Swami: Space you can only hear. In space if there is a
sound …ooouuu…some sound… some vibration only is visible. You can only
perceive through the ear… space… and through space… in space …slowly
the wind blows. The wind blows. You can see the…the vision of the
wind.. .also the blowing…also you can hear. And also it can touch you.
If there is a cool breeze we feel “Oh there is wind. Oh it is windy.”
So you have two perceptions. You can hear and you can touch. Two. And
from wind comes fire.
Hydrogen is but a form of wind.
Mark: Fire?
Swami: Air. Wind. Air. A form of air. Wind is air and
if that burns you can see form. The nitrogen..acetylene gases and this
cooking gas. Cooking gas; it is only gas. It is only like a wind.
Mark: Mm.
Swami: It is also like a wind. But if it burns you can see the form also.
Mark: Mm.
Swami: And when fire is burning, DRRRR you hear the sound.
Mark: Mm. Crackling.
Swami: And and and. The sound effects.
Mark: Mm
Swami: Hot air
Mark: The heat.
Swami: You have two senses and the third one is you can see the form.
Mark: Mm.
Swami: The glowing form. There is a form you can see. So your eyes have come into operation.
Mark: Mm.
Swami: Your ears were in operation for space for ether to hear the sound. Your skin was in operation.
Mark: For the wind.
Swami: For the wind to feel the touch.
Mark: Mm.
Swami: And now your eyes have come into operation and you can see the form.
Mark: Mm.
Swami: Three.
Mark: Mm.
Swami: And from fire comes water.
Mark: Water.
Swami: Water. When water flows, firstly you can see
the streams are giving the sound. The first element is air and water;
you can feel. Water; you feel wet if you put water on the body, you feel
water. Two. And water you can see the form. Water is a liquid If you
hold it in a … It can take the form of a river. It can take the form
of an ocean. It can take the form of a small lake. It can take the form
of your bowl in which you take it; in the form of a glass.
Mark: Mm.
Swami: Whatever form in which you can contain, it is
in that form flexible. So water has form. And water has taste. You can
drink it. Fire you cannot drink. Wind; there is no taste. Space anyway
you cannot taste so you have the fourth sense of perception and that is
the perception of taste. Your tongue has come into operation.
(Hindi or Pahari?)
Swami: Four. You have four elements. Water. And from water has ensued the earth.
Mark: Taste. Taste. Taste.
Swami: The earth. Water is sense of taste. Ok. Water
is the fourth element. The fifth element is the earth, solid earth,
which is the support for human beings to exist. It is support for these
mountains. It is support for this vegetation. It is support even for
water.
Mark: Mm.
Swami: Oceans rest on the earth.
Mark: Mm.
Swami: That is the fifth element; the earth. And the
earth has… the earth can sound because … when mountains… when the earth
moves you can hear the sound…. The earth has the sense of sound of the
first elements.
Mark: Mm.
Swami: And the earth also has the sense of touch
because if a stone hits you…If a stone hits you, you can see. You can
feel too. And the earth’s form is there. You can see the form. These are
all the forms of the earth; mountains, vegetation; everything is
earthly form. And the earth you can touch also. You can taste also. It
can be tasted because when you are tasting vegetation, you are tasting a
piece of the earth.
Mark: Mm:
Swami: When we eat this
sabji, when we eat this
daal, when we eat this
roti, it is but the earth. It is a produce of the earth only.
Mark: Mm.
Swami: It can be tasted and you can…and you can smell;
the sense of smell; it is the fifth sense. The earth is… so your nose
has come into operation. So you have
the five senses.
Mark: Mm.